Limbaugh, conservative politicians & their power at mercy of women

First, I think Rush Limbaugh’s EIB Network Female Summit is more than just a stunt to attract more listeners, especially in the face of President Obama’s initial successes over the last few weeks.  It’s a stunt, for sure, but I think there’s more to it.

Given what this media personality has said about women over the decades, it’s hard to believe he actually cares about what women think (and based on Day One of his Female Summit, it’s obvious that he has little interest in actually changing).  I don’t think he does actually care very much – and certainly not about why the women who don’t like him don’t actually like him.

However, Rush isn’t dumb.  Women are a key voter demographic.  And even if Limbaugh’s stock with conservative white men deepens and broadens to include every single one of them, that maximization in loyalty and base will never reflect the electorate well enough to get Limbaugh or many of the conservatives he supports (read: Bobby Jindal) elected in the 21st Century – not even (and perhaps especially not) in a post-Palin world.

Nope – Rush needs to do some work with the women.  He is trying to figure out how to design and implement a way to persuade, seduce or otherwise dupe women into listening to him long enough (he says it takes at least six weeks to get the gist of him) so that he can then be an influencer with them. He wants to help the conservatives re-consolidate their power in the post-2008 election watershed and that means reaching out, connecting with and convincing more women to support the conservatism he and those he supports (not that of politicians like Arlen Spector, Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins) espouses.

I got news for Rush Limbaugh: if he thinks a woman in this day and age would take 30 days and listen to any man for three hours a day every day just to get to know him, I am going to have to revise that “Rush isn’t dumb” statement I just made.

No way, no how and no 90 hours just to get the gist of Rush.

You lost us at “Ladies and gentlemen.”

38 thoughts on “Limbaugh, conservative politicians & their power at mercy of women

  1. “If Rush held my lefty views I’d do everything I could to drive him off the air,”

    B.S.

    I don’t use articles, talkradio hosts, and television channels to support my views. I use life experience and stories, things that happened in my life or the life of my friends to help others understand what is going on. Plus I know right from wrong.

    Give me a topic and I’ll show you.

    I love Rush because he is free and honest, he doesn’t say things that I then try to remember to express to others, he says things that I often have already surmised. It’s called honesty.

    Try me. Really. Any major topic, global warming, economy, political bias, anything.

  2. Name the sources you use to arrive at a decision on an issue. I must be bored or something to continue with this. If you assume rhetoric has an agenda then you will check the rhetoric with available sources and the closer to the original the more accurate. You already state Rush as a source. That is as entirely inadequate as Keith Olberman is inadequate. If you follow that up with Washington Times, NY Post, Fox News you have not yet moved off the square you started in. If a statement regards income the IRS has actual data, the Census has data, etc. If a statement makes someone look particularly foolish, chances are it is mangled, check what they said and then the backing sources. You do not do any of this and the evidence is clear enough, you take Rush at face value and he is not and original source material shows that he does a lot of lying and a lot of misrepresentation and mangling of facts. I know this because I have checked to make sure where I stand isn’t silly.

    I don’t care about his opinions, that’s whatever they are, facts are another thing. I am quite happy to tie Rush around the Republican neck because that wins for me with nearly 70% of the population at this point in time. Rush answers to no one but his advertisers, pols answer to voters, there is a difference and I’m happy to exploit it.

    As the Republicans and Rush drift farther and farther into mangling facts and outright lying they get easier to mock and deride. That is a position no politician should ever be in but they are putting themselves there and even the lazy mass media is starting to ask, “what?” when they do it. They spent the first month of the new Admin just letting them say whatever without question. Now they are starting to ask because the stuff is getting so deep and getting called out so frequently that they can no longer be that lazy.

    If Rush held my lefty views I’d do everything I could to drive him off the air, I can’t afford that kind of discredit, my ideas are much too complex to survive it. In your case, I’m pleased as punch he exists. I don’t attack him, I use him. I don’t point to his lies, I point to the pols using them and I source my mockery.

    If I lived in that closed environment you do I’d make a lot of mistakes and lose my credibility with quite important people, because that’s all I have with them, getting things right – no radio show, no money, just being good at being right and trustworthy. They never have to fear that I will walk them off a cliff and leave them looking stupid or have to disavow me. If a powerhouse pol takes aside an up and comer and tells him “Chuck is your go to guy in ***” he doesn’t worry he’s walking him into a buzzsaw. (no, I cannot name any participants, I wasn’t even supposed to hear that) It’s not about bragging, it is about what credibility means, whether me or somebody else. I can damn near guarantee you that something very close to that has been said about Jill.

    I am not a power, I am a trusted voice.

  3. Chuck Butcher: John,
    They live in a closed environment and cannot understand why you would not agree with them given their information sources.It is a security blanket, no doubt, no effort.Turn on the radio and Rush will tell you and he won’t change directions on you.

    Closed environment? Please explain.

  4. John,
    They live in a closed environment and cannot understand why you would not agree with them given their information sources. It is a security blanket, no doubt, no effort. Turn on the radio and Rush will tell you and he won’t change directions on you.

  5. Jill, you scanned it? So you didn’t listen to his words. How very intolerant of you.

    Drop the “Rush is insecure” crap, that is a psychological assessment that can only be made by someone who actually listens to the patient.

    It’s mean of you to make fun of a loveable individual like Rush Limbaugh, and if you have any love in your heart, you would give him a chance.

    Meanie.

  6. @Riann in comment #25 – I’m smiling at what you wrote but let me be perfectly clear: I will not be taking 10 minutes to listen to Rush’s voice, let alone 90 hours that he suggests is required just to get his gist. I’ve read what he says – in his own words – as noted above, and as you say – he speaks for himself. I don’t need the MSM to interpret for me and as I’ve written, I don’t interact with the MSM in a one-way style anyway (i.e they dictate to me and I absorb it like a sponge as The Truth).

    He’s got plenty of followers – he doesn’t need me, and I really do not need him.

  7. Riann, you need to get out more or something. The only people who cared about the Fairness Doctrine brought it up and that was your guys. I’ve been analysing and doing politics since Rush was ducking ‘Nam with a boil on his butt. (that wasn’t a blue collar out, just the patricians)

    There are actual facts out there and just because Rush says something does not make it a fact. You can go look for yourself or you can be a robotic listener to whomever and whatever ideology. If that satisfies you, it does, but it isn’t connected to reality and that is a problem for decision making. I call BS on Democrats and left wingers despite holding that ideology when they get it wrong. You cannot say the same thing and you have made that clear.

    I am wasting my time because you have no doubt and will not go look for facts. Much of what Rush does is called “straw man argument” which is creating out of nothing a target to shoot down. Very occassionally a politician will say or do something extraordinarily stupid, but for the most part they are very careful. If someone is consistently accused of being idiotic by someone it would be a good idea to go see if there are facts available – and there are.

  8. Thanks for the reply, Jill. I hope you will give Rush the benefit of the doubt when you read negative stories about him. The mainstream media are saying what you want to hear, but Rush’s words are almost always taken out of context in the mainstream media’s ongoing campaign to destroy his reputation. Now relate the negative press to the reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine and forming public opinion. Not a coincidence!

  9. Chuck – my feelings hurt??? Your comment doesn’t make any sense to me. Do yourself a favor and give Rush a real chance. Also, what do you have against Governor Jindal? He is in the process of turning Louisiana around and giving its citizens real “hope” for a change! Are you threatened by his brilliance?

  10. @Riann re: comment #12

    Riann, you wrote:

    “I do not believe you are a die-hard Rush listener.”

    I’m not sure why you might have thought otherwise, but…you are very correct on this point. 🙂

    You also wrote:

    “And if you never end up liking Rush, why then you have Chris Matthews, Keith Olberman, Rachel Maddow, Katie Couric, Tom Brokaw, George Stephanopoulis, National Public Radio, public television, and on and on and on!”

    Yeah, I’m rather notorious for watching a statistically incapable of being measured amount of television – cable or other and I really don’t like the style of Olbermann. I haven’t watched newshour broadcasts on broadcast television in probably…eek – it has to be nearly 20 years with the possible exception of around 9/11.

    I do listen to NPR, yes. And I get the New York Times and the Cleveland Jewish News, plus a lot of magazines (Fortune, Forbes, Vanity Fair, Self (it’s some free thing), Inside Business (also free), HR Magazine, Fortune Small Business (which I love), and once in a while, the ABA Journal makes it into my house. I used to get the Jerusalem Report but not anymore.

    I read much of my news online from places like myway.com, I scan the Ohio blogs a few times every day, and I receive an obscene number of daily news update emails from a very wide variety of news sources – Cleveland, Ohio, national, media-oriented, politics, women-oriented.

    But the talking heads on tv and cable?

    Not so much.

  11. Riann: To Chuck: you wrote, “I love being able to tie him to the Republicans and the tighter the better.” Rush is a conservative – more proof that you do not listen to the show!

    You had better stick to Rush and stay away from anything that contains any thinking or strategy. You are going to get your feelings hurt.

  12. To Jennerationx: You are very much needed and a great asset to this site – be strong, stand tall, and stick to your beliefs! I am glad you were invited to speak your point of view.

  13. “Limbaugh’s “clever humor” is lost on most thinking people. It’s clever only to those lacking empathy, brains and heart.”

    huh? I think and I have brains and a big ol’ heart.

  14. John: Read your own post – you are attacking Rush listeners.
    You wrote, “Limbaugh’s “clever humor” is lost on most thinking people. It’s clever only to those lacking empathy, brains and heart.” That is what I was referring to.

  15. To Chuck: you wrote, “I love being able to tie him to the Republicans and the tighter the better.” Rush is a conservative – more proof that you do not listen to the show!

  16. Riann I sincerly hope Rush thrives and gains more control of the Republican Party. You have no idea how much I appreciate his efforts on behalf of Democrats. The more often I can point to him as the Voice of Republicanism the easier my job as a Democrat becomes. Rush is not in the least seen as a threat, he’s an opportunity and that’s what you don’t get in your little echo chamber. I love being able to tie him to the Republicans and the tighter the better.

  17. He’s not threatening to anyone–he’s a joke. And please spare me the lunacy of worrying over personal attacks on Rush. He attacks more people more viciously than just about anyone.

  18. The above two comments just prove to me that liberals will never give Rush a fair chance -I know you men do not regularly listen to his radio show! And John has to resort to personal attacks. By the way, why has Rush become so threatening to liberals – you control Washington now and that still is not good enough for you. Just what does it take to make you happy?

  19. There is such a thing as an opinion, that’s really not much of a problem, but a fact free environment surrounded with sophmoric humor really isn’t much of a source of either entertainment or information.

    Coming around talking about getting facts straight in regard to Rush is laughable. You don’t need to use MSM to find the facts that make Rush an actual liar, but you just swallow his stuff without checking anything. There are original sources available to anyone capable of reading this site but “your type” seems incapable of doing more than parroting Rush. When Rush says “X” is in the stimulus plan you can actually go look at the actual document. Virtually every piece of misinformation he spouts can be debunked at an original source. That is your problem. Our problem is that this supposedly liberal biased media doesn’t bother either and just lets your talking heads say darn near anything they please.

    You will note I’ve said not one thing in regard to opinion. I could care less about a personality having an opinion, I do not quietly let lies stand as facts whoever plays that game.

  20. Jill: I do not believe you are a die-hard Rush listener. Your types are so easy to spot because you take his clever humor out of context when you do intermittently tune in. This also makes it easier for your types to complain about him. You are proof of his power, so either join the fun or get your facts straight! Have you ever heard a song you were not too fond of and then you realize you want to hear it all of the time? That is similar to the Rush phenomenon. And if you never end up liking Rush, why then you have Chris Matthews, Keith Olberman, Rachel Maddow, Katie Couric, Tom Brokaw, George Stephanopoulis, National Public Radio, public television, and on and on and on! Many of the people who hate Rush are 1) liberals, although many liberals can’t help themselves and listen to Rush, and 2) people who believe the nasty rumors that the mainstream media regularly circulates about Rush. Guess what, America, the mainstream media is BIASED!

  21. Chuck, I liked that “somewhat masochist attempt to keep track of what the other side was up to”. Well, I did the same think with Bill o’Reilly, but I stopped when he said that kid that was kidnapped for a number of years by a pedophile didn’t escape because he didn’t want. Way too stupid to waste my time listen to him.

  22. There have been two types of occassions when I listened to Rush, one was when another subcontractor had him playing on a job, too rude to try to drown him out with my blues tunes.

    The other was a somewhat masochistic attempt to keep track of what the other side was up to – I quit that nonsense when I realized that all I had to do was pick the most irrelevant, illogical, and meanest tempered position in opposition to a Democratic or humane policy and I’d have Rush’s.

    Watching a House member crawl to his feet and genuflect to him and giants like Hannity provides insane amounts of amusement. It’s almost as good as listening to Jindal use the premier advocates (GWB&) of ‘government sucks’ failures in N-O as a justification for his ‘government sucks’ propaganda. But you shouldn’t criticize Jindal. You’d be hard pressed to write a comedy routine that good.

  23. Jenn –

    Yes, I used the word stereotype about what you said your husband said, and I wrote that I really don’t know what he means (tho it appears you do) because I don’t keep up with stereotypes – he used a stereotypical metaphor about talking too much is something like what women do – that’s not my experience of women – but clearly that is his and yours – or you had some shared understanding – which I don’t share – of that phrase.

    That’s why I wrote what I did, in response.

    Not sure what you’re referencing re: Rush and offense. 😦

  24. He said the words, it’s what he thinks. You brought up the stereotype issue. He just made a comparison in his mind. I take him at his word and don’t take offense. I doubt Rush would take offense either, he’s very open-minded and he loves women.

  25. Hi Jenn –

    I’m calling it a stereotype. Of course that doesn’t mean that you think it’s one.

    Here’s the def I agree with:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype:

    A stereotype is a preconceived idea that attributes certain characteristics (in general) to all the members of class or set.

    I’m sure I don’t share your husband’s notion of what it means to “talk too much – like a woman.”

    No expectation on my part that we’d have the same definitions. That’s all.

  26. Jill, I am a person who believes in saying what I’m thinking and saying it like I would say it to someone’s face. I did not use a stereotype, my husband matter-of-factly said that to me as what he thinks. I don’t take offense, I’m not that kinda girl. Glad you put me on your blogroll. I have broadened my mind and will continue to through life’s experience, there is an old country saying, “If you have to ask if what you are going to do or think is right, you’re fixing to mess up.”

  27. Jenn – thanks for reading and commenting.

    Re: what you say about your husband, I have to confess, I never use that stereotype – I’m a real anti-namecalling, anti-labeling kinda writer.

    Hope you don’t mind if I add you to my blogroll – about that opinions of others being useless etc: I don’t have many conservative bloggers on my roll but I know we can’t ever even attempt to broaden what we think if we don’t at least share/read.

  28. I love listening to Rush. FYI, my husband gleans info from him to be able to speak more articulately because hubby is not always good with words, but he won’t listen to all three hours because Rush talks too much–like a woman!

  29. “I got news for Rush Limbaugh: if he thinks a woman in this day and age would take 30 days and listen to any man for three hours a day every day just to get to know him, I am going to have to revise that “Rush isn’t dumb” statement I just made.

    No way, no how and no 90 hours just to get the gist of Rush.

    You lost us at “Ladies and gentlemen.””

    That cracked me up. Especially since what man would listen to a women three hours a day?

    You are too kind.

    I have some relly nasty nicknames for Limbuagh. When he went after Michael J. Fox I lost any fraction of a drop of patience I had for his game.

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